Plato: [Has read none of them entirely]
The Laws by Plato
- I read the first half of it two summers ago in between logic problem sets. Most of you have read the Republic which makes this a great choice because we get to see his recommendation for a real city-state as opposed to the Republic which is clearly an idealization. Also we know for sure, from the testimony of Aristotle, that this was the last work Plato wrote before he died. This gives it something of an authoritative place within the cannon. Also he has clearly succumbed to a sort of senile, right-wing lunacy (more than usual), which is delightful.
- If I had been a good person I would have read the whole thing for my Aristotle project last summer. Instead I just ending up reading a key chapter or two. Danielle Allen is a classicist, but she uses this book as a forum to pose as a philosopher/political theorist/cultural commentator. The result is an impressive investigation of the citizenship and democracy viewed in light of the 50th anniversary of Brown v Board of Education. Its sort of an interdisciplinary whirlwind of pretty interesting thoughts about race relations and liberal democracy. It is very accessible to a non-specialist audience. A big part of her argument (from what I have read) is that democracies should not be used to simply create an open space for each and every individual to pursue his or her own life projects. Democracies need citizens which view the good of others as an essential part of their own flourishing and therefore pursue the common good (hence an impetus for some reflections on race relations). Thus, she is mounting a significant challenge to contemporary understandings of what is so great about liberal democracy while at the same time portraying the civil-right struggle as an ongoing process of reforming democracy. I have some mixed feeling about the book as a whole, but I think we would get a lot out of discussing it.
- Just about every other person with a college degree thinks it's the cat’s meow. I’ve never read it. My mother has been badgering me to. On the downside it is an enormous book.
- This I the one I have the most reservations about recommending to this group. This book was one of the most influential work in the later twentieth century arguing that we need to ditch modern ethical theories and go back to Aristotle. It remains extremely contentious to this day. Its not pitched to a non-specialist audience, but you are all smart people, you’d get the point. I’ve never read it before, and I will basically have to in order to succeed in grad school, so if anyone wants to read it with me, you are welcome to come along for the ride.
Foucault's Pendulum or Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco
- [F] Three Italian editors decide as a joke to make up a conspiracy theory that explains everything. Then they are hunted down by the people in their conspiracy who are cheesed that the editors know more about what's going on than they do. Exhaustively researched, very richly written.
- [N] Detective-Monk in medieval monastery murder mystery! Ditto with the research. Neither of these are light reading, despite alliteration. Lot of history.
- Seminal work of (christian) existential thought, taking as its starting point the story of Abraham and Isaac, and how fundamentally what-the-fuck that story is. Also this.
- Seminal work of (not christian) existential thought, taking as its starting point the question of suicide and concluding with the notion that Sisyphus wins!
- Borges is cool and I need to read more of him. This book contains the story "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" which seems like the most fascinating story I have not yet read.
Six Records of A Floating Life by Shen Fu
- A fairly short book, written in the early 1800s by a poor Chinese civil servant, so not the kind of person from that place/time whose thoughts are usually preserved. I read it my first year, and I remember it as a strange, sweet, poetic sort of recording of his life, focused mostly on his relationship to his wife and some friends, with digressions into flower arranging. The back describes it as showing 'layers' of a person's life, which from what I remember is a pretty apt description.
- The sum total of what I know about this book is that there are three main characters at least, and it's set in Haiti as it descends into chaos. However, I've read a lot of Graham Green in the past and always loved his work (my favorite book of his would probably be The Ministry of Fear, which I would also be up for reading, but have already read). He has a really distinct style; cold war-ish realism on the surface but with a constant sense of something surreal or fable-like around it.
- I know very little about this book; having read the first ten pages or so only I can tell you that it's about an architect who has probably done something truly terrible at one point and is now living a very quiet life. I put in on the list because I've wanted to read something by Boll forever and this is the book that I own at the moment. I'd also be pretty excited to read The Clown, although it seems like it might be one of the more depressing books I've ever laid a hand on. Boll is a pretty dark writer, from a family of pacifist Germans who grew up during WWII, so bad times. Apparently he won the Nobel Prize for Literature?
- Another Nobel Prize guy, I think most of you have heard of him. I haven't read more than the first chapter, but it's another strange fable-story about a provincial governor attached to a great Empire whose peaceful life is interrupted by a state of emergency/war being declared against the barbarians.
- More tentative about including it, but I just started it anyway and I've been enjoying it so far. Longer than the others, it opened in a way I really enjoyed, weaving pieces of an affair in the modern era with newspaper clippings and a story set in a bizarre alternate space world. However, it just randomly switched into 1st person someone else's POV, which is also good but somewhat bewildering and I kind of want the first part back. I'm not sure what it's doing yet, but it seems intriguing and Atwood has been pretty good in the past.
Death is a Lonely Business by Ray Bradbury
Hard-boiled Wonderland and The End of The World by Haruki Murakami
The Difference Engine or Pattern Recognition by William Gibson
- The benefit of The Difference Engine is that it's not part of a series (Pattern Recognition stands alone fine, but is technically the first in a trilogy). The Difference Engine was written with Bruce Sterling. Sterling and Gibson are two of the four big founders of cyberpunk.
Dead Souls by Gogol
- Never read it before, but I've heard excellent things about it. I've read a little Gogol previously (short stories, e.g. "The Nose"), and remember liking it immensely.
- This book consists of a 999-line poem by a fictional author, and a commentary on said poem by a fictional critic. Again in the category of "Never read, heard great things." Those I've talked to compare it favorably to similar stories by Borges, especially "Pierre Menard, Author of Don Quixote" and "Approach to Al-Mutasim" (both of which appear in "Ficciones," incidentally).
- One of those great books I never got around to reading. I've never read anything by Pynchon, but I've heard great things about him and this book.
- I have never read this play, but I've read several other plays by Stoppard, and two in particular - "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" and "Travesties" - rank among the most excellent things of all time (granted, it's a long list). My parents have seen this play, and both gave it very good reviews. In brief, the play is about the history of Czechoslovakia and the role rock music played in it (pun intended). Granted, this would be very short - I imagine we would all finish it quite quickly - but I think it would be delightfully fun.
- I originally was going to avoid suggesting philosophy books, but Dan broke the ice with the Laws. I read the Tractatus, or most of it anyways, a long time ago when I was too young to understand it. Now, glancing at bits and pieces of it, I'm impressed by its beauty, even if I am not convinced by its arguments. I think we could have a very interesting time with it. (It is worth noting that Wittgenstein's notebooks are available as separate publications, and they might be interesting as secondary sources.)
- Fitzgerald's more famous book, "The Great
Gatsby," is one of my absolute favorites of all time. The ending of Gatsby is for
me one of the most moving moments in literature. Whenever I feel (more)
dissatisfied (than usual) with humanity, I read that portion of the book.
Fitzgerald's understanding of the beauty of failure is truly profound. I'm
rambling, I realize, so long story short: Fitzgerald is awesome, and I have every
reason to believe that "Tender is the Night" is worth reading. (Also: if you haven't
read Gatsby, you should.)
Semiel:
Smokes:
Okay, so here's my vote:
ReplyDeleteDan: 1) Talking to Strangers 2) The Laws
Me: 1) Six Records 2) Billiards
Alex: 1) Hard-boiled Wonderland 2) Death
Noah: 1) Tractatus 2) Pale Fire
My votes:
ReplyDeleteDan: 1) Bros. Karamozov 2) Talking to Strangers
Levi: 1) Name of the Rose 2) Ficciones
Alla: 1) Six Records 2) Billiards
Alex: 1) Hard-Boiled Wonderland 2) Difference Engine
Me: 1) Pale Fire 2) Tender is the Night
Overall: 1) Six Records 2) Pale Fire 3) Bros. Karamazov
Assuming nothing new gets posted by Peter or Andrew:
ReplyDeleteMe: 1) The Laws 2) Talking to Strangers
Levi: 1) Fear and Trembling 2) Ficciones
Alla: 1)The Comedians 2)Waiting For The Barbarians
Alex: 1) Death is a Lonely Business 2) Difference Engine
Noah: 1) Tractatus 2) Rock 'n' Roll
Tentative Overall: 1) Ficciones 2) Fear and Trembling 3) Tractatus
But they are all awesome choices!
Ooh I've read Pale Fire and Crying of Lot 49, still dunno how I feel about Pale Fire (honestly Lolita is a much better novel, even though Pale Fire is formally one of the most brilliant things I've ever read). Crying of Lot 49 is hilarious and wonky and conspiratorial and is also the only Pynchon I've ever read.
ReplyDeleteOh right votes.
Dan: 1) Karamazov 2) either non-Laws book (never finished the Republic, so hesitant to read the sequel)
Me: 1) Fear and Trembling 2) Ficciones
Alla: buh all of those sound good but 1) Comedians 2) Six Records
Alex: either Gibson
Schweber: 1) Rock 'n' Roll 2) Dead Souls
Figuring out how to tally these votes is going to be hard :p
ReplyDeleteI accidentally didn't paste my votes on Levi's in--all excellent times, but I think 1) Name of the Rose 2) Ficciones.
My tentative-overall is to read Name of the Rose first, Pale Fire second, Six Records third, and Talking to Strangers after that. I pretty much want to read everything everyone's suggested though, so I hope we're at this for a while.
Also, Alex says to read hers later in the lineup, as she is so busy doing SCIENCE that she might have trouble reading a book until school starts up again.
I don't know that "tallying" the votes is precisely what we should do. Maybe more of a consensus based on a holistic assessment of what other people have expressed interest in.
ReplyDeleteFor example, so far it looks like Ficciones, Bros. Karamazov, Six Records, and Talking to Strangers all have multiple votes in favor. With Name of the Rose and Pale Fire also ranking pretty high on some people's overall list.
I just sort of glanced at the lists and came up with those titles. Is there anything else we should add to the final cut?
Also there is more to consider here than just the lists. I don't want our enthusiasm to flag on the first book just because we pick an enormous tome like Bros. Karamazov. Maybe pick something short like Six Records, do it in 2 or 3 weeks to build momentum, then try to tackle one of the longer books.
ReplyDeleteThat was basically my theory (Noah says you can mathematically prove it's impossible to vote effectively when there are more candidates than voters...)
ReplyDeleteIf people are cool with this, why don't we do Six Records first because it's tiny, then do Ficciones, then either Karamazov or Strangers depending on how badass we feel with length (Don't know how they compare in size), and finally tentatively Pale Fire.
I feel like by the time we've read a couple we'll be, as a group, in the mood for one thing or another to counterbalance what we've been reading and it'll be easier to find a consensus and all that.
If people like this lineup, I'll post it in a new post as the official (!) schedule. If not, we can certainly shuffle stuff around.
Sounds excellent to me.
ReplyDeleteActually, that is exactly what I wanted!
ReplyDeleteFicciones is long-ish but it is shorter than Karamazov and is broken up into short stories which makes it a fast read.
Talking to Strangers is about 200 pages.
Oh and another difficulty: I will be gone from July 22nd to 30th and again from August 4th to midday August 5th.
ReplyDeleteI'd be up for hammering out Six Records before the 22nd so I could take Ficciones on my trips, but I don't want to force everyone else into that.
Alla, is it short enough to read in 2 weeks?
I'd say so--it's only 144 pages. In general we should probably try and keep times to read books the same in spite of size, in the theory we'll be busy one day and want to keep doing it anyway, but I'd be up for reading this quickly.
ReplyDeleteThere's a nice penguin edition that shouldn't be too hard to find, and I think the only other translation is from the 1930s :p So we're on?
No objections from me. I am going to buy the book right now.
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